Qwen3.8 Max
Alibaba (Qwen) · proprietary · writing benchmark
The short version
Qwen3.8 Max lands in the middle of the pack on ToneBench at #68 of 167, with a writing Elo of 1682 and an overall score of 83.2 out of 100. Those numbers come from it writing its own version of the scripts behind 10 of my What's AI videos, five times each, with every draft scored blind against mine (how the scoring works).
For scale, my own scripts score 90.9 through the same judges and rubric. That's the real bar here, not a literal 100. It sits 7.7 points under it.
Its Elo comes from comparing its average on each script with every other model's average on the same script, with gaps inside the run-to-run noise counted as draws. The 95% range is 1633 to 1735. That range overlaps 16 other configurations, ranked #63 to #79, so its exact spot inside that band is too close to call on this board. What the ranges can and can't tell you.
Its biggest edge is Length: 94.0, 4th on the board and about 23 points above the board average. Even its weakest, Hook (83.0), sits above the board average, so there's no real weak spot to plan around.
The format changes the result. Its best score was on the career guide / hiring analysis (84.5) and its weakest on the personal technical walkthrough / agentic workflow case study (79.9), about 5 points apart. If most of your scripts look like one of those, weigh that score over the average.
It costs about $0.161 per script. MiMo-V2.6-Flash scores far higher and costs about $0.004 per script, so on value this isn't the pick.
If you're on Alibaba (Qwen) anyway, Qwen3.8 Flash writes better for no more per script, so use that one.
Among proprietary models, it's 58th of 114. The best open-weights config, GLM-5.3 at #15, outranks it, so it's worth a look if you'd rather run open weights.
Skill profile
Read the shape: the further a corner reaches, the stronger the model is on that metric. The dashed line is the board average and the dotted line is the board's best score on each metric, so a corner outside the dashed line beats the average there. Hover a point for the exact numbers.
Metric by metric
Nine writing metrics, each scored 0–100 and blended into the overall by the editorial weight shown next to it. Rank is out of all 167 current-ranked models. The thick bar is this model; the thin line above it is the field's best on that metric (darker) and the one below is the field's average (lighter), on the same scale. The small ± is how much the score moves from run to run, and the ? next to each name says what the metric rewards.
Script by script
The same 10 real scripts every current-ranked model writes, each scored on its own as the mean of 5 runs. Different formats stress different skills: a model can nail a tight explainer and still stumble on a personal story, so look for the format closest to what you write.
Consistency: how much it moves between runs
A model whose drafts swing from run to run is harder to use than its average suggests. Every score on this page is the mean of 5 runs per script, and the ± is the run-to-run standard deviation. Overall, Qwen3.8 Max moves by ± 2.0 against a board median of ± 2.7, so it's steadier than the typical model here.
Its steadiest is Length: ± 5.1 run to run, when the typical model swings ± 8.6.
| Metric | This model | Board median | Verdict |
|---|---|---|---|
| Tone ? | 80.2 ± 1.8 | ± 1.7 | typical |
| Craft ? | 82.0 ± 1.5 | ± 1.5 | typical |
| Substance ? | 84.4 ± 1.7 | ± 2.0 | typical |
| Flow ? | 78.4 ± 2.2 | ± 1.8 | typical |
| YouTube ? | 82.5 ± 1.9 | ± 2.9 | typical |
| Hook ? | 83.0 ± 2.1 | ± 2.0 | typical |
| Length ? | 94.0 ± 5.1 | ± 8.6 | steadier than most |
| Slop ? | 90.7 ± 2.2 | ± 2.1 | typical |
| Cues ? | 84.2 ± 2.8 | ± 3.2 | typical |
Cost, time and tokens
Logged on every run. None of it touches the writing score, but it's often what decides whether a model fits your pipeline at all. Time is the average time to get one accepted script, retries included, and cost is priced per script at list price.
What each judge scored it
One judge can have taste of its own, which is why there are three, from three model families, each scoring the same 50 stored drafts blind with the identical rubric. The overall of 83.2 combines their scores with the parts computed in code (length, and half of the slop score). The highest and lowest judge are 9.4 points apart on its overall. That's a typical amount of judge disagreement for this board. How the panel works.
How we ran Qwen3.8 Max
- Accessed viaOpenRouter · model page ↗
- Exact model / route id
qwen/qwen3.8-max(provider default reasoning) - Generations5 independent runs × 10 scripts = 50 drafts, stored immutably after generation
- Run dates2026-09-03
- Judges3-judge panel: Claude Opus 5, high effort (Anthropic) + DeepSeek V4.1 Flash (OpenRouter) + GPT-5.6 Sol, medium reasoning (Codex CLI). All three score every draft independently with the identical rubric, blind to which model wrote it, and each one has to quote evidence before it scores a metric. Seven metrics are the plain average of the three judges; Length is computed from the spoken word count, and Slop is half computed (the EQ-Bench slop-score pipeline plus our banned-phrase scan) and half judged. The Elo is cross-checked with a Bradley-Terry refit (methodology)
- Sampling and promptprovider-default sampling, no fine-tuning, no system-prompt changes. Every current-ranked model gets the same prompt, about 11,000 tokens (the count shifts a bit with each model's tokenizer): a style guide built from my voice and storytelling guides, the target length, and the brief with its research packet. What changes from row to row is the model configuration
- What stays privatethe exact rubric and any non-public reference material. Scripts are normally benchmarked before their video goes out, which lowers the odds a model has seen mine, though it doesn't make that impossible (why)
Frequently asked questions
How good is Qwen3.8 Max at writing?
It's #68 of 167 on ToneBench, with a writing Elo of 1682 and an overall score of 83.2/100. It wrote its own version of the scripts behind 10 of my What's AI videos 5 times each, and three judges from three model families scored every draft blind against mine. Length and half of the slop score are computed in code.
Is Qwen3.8 Max the best Alibaba (Qwen) model for writing?
Not quite. It's 2nd of 10 Alibaba (Qwen) configs; Qwen3.8 Flash is about 17 Elo ahead.
Is Qwen3.8 Max good value for the money?
It costs about $0.161 per script. MiMo-V2.6-Flash scores higher and costs less, so it isn't the value pick.
What are Qwen3.8 Max's strengths and weaknesses?
Against the board average, its biggest edge is Length (94.0, +23.2) and even its weakest, Hook (83.0, +1.4), is above average. The nine-metric breakdown on this page shows the board average and board best for each.
How was Qwen3.8 Max evaluated?
Through OpenRouter, using the exact model/route id qwen/qwen3.8-max, first run on 2026-09-03. Each script ran 5 times with provider-default sampling and no fine-tuning. The 'How we ran it' section and the methodology page have the rest.
Is Qwen3.8 Max open source?
No, it's a proprietary (closed-weights) model. Among proprietary models it's 58th of 114 for writing.